The Mystery of Godliness


Rick asked an important question in his Un-Blog comment. His question is a little out of sequence with our present line of discussion, but it is an important bridge to be able to cross. Fully understanding this answer would require that you have understood most of what we have Un-Blogged for the last year. If this does not yet make full sense, hang on and we will Un-Blog these things again as we go forward.

Rick asked about D&C 88:64-65 where the Lord clearly promises that “Whatsoever ye ask the Father in my name it shall be given you; that is expedient for you; And if ye ask anything that is not expedient for you, it shall turn unto your condemnation.”

As we progress in our spiritual journey, we are taken from line to line, and from precept to precept. We learn greater things, have greater spiritual gifts, make greater spiritual covenants directly with God, and we obtain greater gifts – one of these gifts is the ability to pray and receive whatever we ask.

The previous verse, 63 defines who is actually qualified to make these powerful requests that God will always honor. “Draw near unto me and I will draw near unto you; seek me diligently and ye shall find me; ask and ye shall receive; knock and it shall be opened unto you.”

From this we may understand that this type of mighty prayer, where we receive all that we ask, comes to those who have diligently sought Christ and found Him, even as the Temple promises that we may approach the veil and there “knock” and have Christ open the veil and invite us in.

The same promise and the governing law to this gift are again repeated in D&C 50:27-28 where we read: “He that is ordained of God and sent forth,” (which is an ordination by God, by His own hands, while in his presence, as we saw in 88:63) “the same is appointed to be the greatest, notwithstanding he is the least and the servant of all. Wherefore, he is possessor of all things; for all things are subject unto him, both in heaven and on the earth, the life and the light, the Spirit and the power, sent forth by the will of the Father through Jesus Christ, his Son.”

These “ordained by God” are the greatest because they have been in the presence of Christ, and have been given the same gifts as John and the Nephite Three received while they were in His presence. They are the servants of all, as is John, Enoch and others. They are possessors of all things because their priesthood power is the “fullness” that man may receive as a mortal. They have power of life and death (even their own death, because they have been translated) but these great gifts and priesthoods only operate “by the will of the Father through Jesus Christ, his Son.”

Now comes the answer to Rick’s question in 88:29. “And if ye are purified and cleansed from all sin (which is of course the requirement to be allowed into the presence of Christ after we have “sought him diligently”) “Ye shall ask whatsoever you will in the name of Jesus and it shall be done. But know this, it shall be given you what to ask.”

In other words, having the power isn’t permission to use it, until you have been “given what to ask.”

Thus, in order to pray and receive everything you request you must walk this path:

  1. Draw near unto Christ
  2. Seek Christ diligently (His appearance to you)
  3. Become purified and cleansed from all sin
  4. Knock and enter into His presence
  5. Be ordained “of” God
  6. Receive the fullness of the priesthood
  7. Obtain power over life and death (which may also include translation)
  8. Christ will lead you to ask for many things (the “true order of prayer” if you will)
  9. You ask and receive those things Christ directs you to request, and thus all things are subject unto you.
  10. If you ask for something other than what Christ leads you to ask for, then this thing is not “expedient” and it will turn to your condemned for asking.

Here is the bottom line – it is that this “expedient” clause in the divine contract only kicks in after we have received full power to ask and receive. To then use this fullness of power without Christ’s permission will condemn us – which means to stop our progress.

This is what happened when Moses struck the rock and took credit for bringing forth the water in the desert. He had the power and the permission to do it, but he took credit, and this displeased God. Moses’ “condemnation” was that he was not allowed to step foot into the promised land. Remember that Moses was by then a translated being, and his exaltation and glory were absolutely assured, and could not be lost. But, in a moment of anger and weakness, he did something that was not “expedient”.

The glorious news, the almost incomprehensible wonder of this principle is that we CAN obtain this gift, this glory and this power while we live here in mortality. This is the mystery of Godliness that is hidden from the world and revealed unto babes.

Brother John

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20 Responses to The Mystery of Godliness

  1. mike says:

    Great post John. Have enjoyed your books and blog/website. Have you read Denver Snuffer’s books? He speaks alot about this subject – see The Second Comforter. His last book is hard to swallow, but shows our actual history and contains great info on fulness of priesthood and such. Great to see lay members piercing the veil!

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    • John Pontius says:

      Hi Mike,

      I don’t comment on other people’s books. I love Denver, and I respect him. My perspective is a little different though. Whatever has changed is not significant enough to dilute the power of the priesthood, or our privileges and capacity to accomplish every needful thing, including building Zion. I just choose to have the mindset that if there is something missing, the Lord will restore it when he “Restores all things” when he comes again. Until then, my job is to take advantage of what IS, not trouble myself about what isn’t. If the Lord wants me to do something different, He’ll show me how. Until then I stay the course.

      JMP

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  2. DEBRA NORTON says:

    JOHN,
    DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR DAY WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE GIFT TO BE TRANSLATED? IS THIS A GIFT THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO QUALIFY, OR IS THIS A PRIESTHOOD ORDAINANCE THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US YET? I DID NOT KNOW THAT A TRANSLATED BEING COULD DIE? I THOUGHT THAT ONCE ONE RECIEVED TRANSLATION THAT THEY WERE NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH. DO I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT? PLEASE CLARIFY THIS IF YOU CAN. THANKS SO MUCH. THIS IS SUCH AN INTERESTING SUBJECT AND ONE THAT I HAVE WONDERED ABOUT MANY TIMES.

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    • John Pontius says:

      Hi Debra,

      I will be getting into translation a little later in the Un-Blog as we get into the greater blessings. I don’t want to introduce it until we have built some more foundation. Thanks for your interest.

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    • John Pontius says:

      Dear Debra,

      I am not aware of anyone today who has been translated – but that is how it should be. Translated people won’t tell you their real name even if you ask them, and a person who has been translated (like say your bishop or an apostle) would not tell you they had been translated.

      These things have to remain anonymous until the millennium, when the Lord will “make bare his holy arm”. I am aware of many people who have been promised translation in our day, and who fully expect to receive it. It is my opinion that if need be, a person could be translated, and the Lord still provides a body for us to bury and have a funeral with. These are simple things for the Lord – and His work rolls forward in spite of our weakness and unbelief.

      Good question though,

      JMP

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  3. Denise says:

    AMEN! Thank you for your wonderful books and posts.

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  4. Ken h says:

    I would love to be a translated being to bring souls to Christ. I can’t wait to get to Zion and help build that wonderful city. The Lord has promised me I would be there when He comes in Glory. How I look forward to that day. Thank you again for all you post Brother John

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  5. Floyd Jackson says:

    I have just been introduced to your blog and I must say that I enjoy the spirit and attitude that is generated there.

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  6. K-Jo says:

    Brother John,

    When you gave the fireside in Santaquin in July, you gave us a sheet of paper showing a line upon line progression as to how we progress spiritually. It seems that I have lost mine. I thought you said you were going to post it on the website, but I don’t see it. Can you still do that? If you can, that would be awesome. Thanks.

    As always, great post. You answered some things that I have wondered about for a long time.
    K-Jo

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  7. Donald says:

    Do you ever think that maybe Eldred G Smith (now 105 years old I believe) has some of the gifts you mention in your list (specifically # 7)? Thank you again brother John for sharing your thoughts and feelings about these marvelous doctrines.

    btw, I hope EGS lives another 30 years…. if that is His choice. 🙂

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    • John Pontius says:

      Dear Donald, I don’t know the answer to your question of course.

      I met Brother Smith when he came to Alaska and gave a fireside. He had the tan-colored suit Hyrum was wearing in Carthage Jail when he died. It had blood stains and bullet holes. To me it felt holy. He also had some other artifacts the belonged to Hyrum and Joseph, but I don’t remember them well now. He also had the lap desk where the gold plates were hidden the first week after Joseph received them. He set it out and invited us to look and touch, but don’t lift it off of the table. Everone was running their fingers over it. When I got up to it in the line, I opened the lid and reached inside and placed my hand where the golden plates ones rested. Everyone gasped, like I had done something naughty, and then did the same thing themselves. Elder Smith just watched and smiled. It was a spiritually electric moment for me. It was as if the wood remembered it’s sacred cargo and was bearing witness to us as we touched it.

      Brother Smith looked to be in his 70’s and acted like a much younger man. He spoke with a strong voice and bore a powerful testimony.

      Eldred G. Smith is the Great-great-great grandson of Hyrum, and Great-great-great nephew of Joseph Smith Jr. He was born January 9, 1907 and is 104 years old.

      Interesting stuff,

      JMP

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  8. Elizabeth Jenson says:

    Great information. We are blessed to have such a teacher as you!
    I have thought a bit, wondering if a translated person could still exist in a family, be a mother or father to a family… It does not seem so. John and the 3 Nephites…were they single men? Did they not have families before their ministries began?

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    • John Pontius says:

      Hi Elizabeth,

      I can only give you my opinion, which is that yes, they live dual lives until their duties as a family member are completed – then they appear to die, and then go on with their ministry.

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    • Toni says:

      Alma lived an ordinary life, then left as if he were going somewhere, so I’d say they lived as though they were ordinary men. (This is supposing Alma was translated.)

      I would expect that all of the Nephite disciples were married. It is a commandment, after all. I think it was Moroni who told us that they stayed around until the people became so wicked that God took them away, but to people living in a Zion like they had at the time, perhaps it was no big deal to have someone there who was a couple of hundred years old.

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  9. Lance says:

    John,
    You have a real gift from God to be able to teach such deep truths with such clarity and simplicity. Thanks for this wonderful post.
    By the way, do you have any update for us on the new book you are working on that you mentioned a few weeks back?
    Lance

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    • John Pontius says:

      Hi Lance,

      Yes, I have about 24 hours of interviews recorded, and I’m not sure how much more to go. The information is fascinating – so much so that I’m concerned about how much I can publish. It is kind of like interviewing John the revelator or someone like that. His views are so clear and specific that I’m a little concerned that if readers believe him, they will want to make him a guru, and if they don’t, they’ll want to burn him at the stake – neither of these options is acceptable. He is insistant that his name never be revealed to avoid the aforementioned consequences. He just wants to give what he has received in the hopes that it helps people refocus their lives.

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  10. RIck says:

    Thank you Brother John for raising the bar of understanding and vision to a whole new level. I believe that the Lord must be pleased when we ask for futher light and knowledge in all things that pertain to His kingdom and His glory. As I am certain that He would not be pleased if we were to take things unto ourselves in a way that took honor and glory away from Him in any way. How wonderful to recognize the importance of humility in petitioning for such blessings and realizing the source of all righteous light and truth flow from Him. I am satified with your answer and even more satisfied with the inherent challenge to press forward in searching, asking and pondering. Thank you again.
    Warm Best,

    Rick

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